沒有球隊可以用勇士的風格去擊敗勇士?是籃球理念先進還是天賦碾壓?

美國JRS之聲2019-04-14 02:08:02

Kobe Bryant: 'You Can’t Beat Golden State By Playing Golden State-Style'

科比:“沒有球隊可以用勇士的風格去擊敗勇士。”





[–]ThunderjoegrizzyV 86 指標 9小時前

OKC laid the blueprint for how to beat them. But then uh....well...they stole our best player so....

雷霆球迷:雷霆已經描繪好了擊敗他們的藍圖,可是,呃,我們最好的球員被他們挖了牆角,然後。。。結果你們都知道了


[–]Lakersbengalisocks 124 指標 8小時前

It depends on what you mean by their style, but unless you have a generational big man, a switch heavy system seems the best way to beat the team. HOU laid out a blue print, and while I don't think you need to be as reliant on the three as HOU, I still think you need to follow modern principles of stretching the floor and switching.

這也取決於大家是如何理解勇士風格的,但是除非你擁有一個劃時代的大個子球員,否則目前看來對付他們最好的方法就是無限換防。火箭也畫好了對付勇士的藍圖,但我認為其他球隊不該像火箭那樣過分地依賴三分球,我始終認為各隊應該遵循現代籃球中拉扯空間,無限換防的理論來對付勇士。


[–]Rocketsbauboish 131 指標 4小時前

Honestly I've never felt that Houston had the same style as the Warriors.

Warriors move the ball a lot. Houston almost never passes.

Warriors run up and down. Houston slows the game to a crawl.

Warriors play egalitarian "everyone touches the ball" Rockets play "Harden/CP3 gets the ball everyone else space out and stand there."

火箭球迷:説實話,我從來不覺得火箭跟勇士是一個風格。

勇士每場都有很多次傳球。而火箭幾乎不怎麼傳球。

勇士的比賽忽快忽慢。而火箭會把比賽節奏拖的跟爬一樣慢。

勇士玩的是平均主義“所有人都能摸到球”。而火箭是“燈泡組合掌控球權,剩下的人就拉開空間好好站着就行了”。


Warriors have half a roster of centers. The Rockets focused roster building on guards and wings.

I think a lot of times people just misunderstand philosophy with talent. The reason people can't beat the Warriors because they have a lot more talent than you.

勇士陣容裏有一半都是中鋒,而火箭熱衷於囤積後衞和鋒線球員。

我認為很多人把天賦和籃球理念搞混了。其他球隊打不過勇士並不是因為什麼籃球理念的原因僅僅就是天賦不如他們而已。


[–][GSW] Draymond Greenjthc 49 指標 4小時前

Defensively we're similar, but offensively we're on different planets. It does go to show that there are many ways to run an effective offense.

勇士球迷:防守上面我們是很像,但是在進攻端的完全不是一個風格。這也確實讓大家看到了很多可以打出有效進攻的方式。


[–]Rocketsbauboish 24 指標 4小時前

True on defense I agree the Rockets and the Warriors are similar. Ironically enough that was were the Rockets had the most success against the Warriors. So it turns out being the same as the Warriors didn't do so badly for the Rockets after all.

上個火箭球迷:防守端是你説的那樣沒錯,我同意火箭和勇士很像。具有諷刺意味的是,火箭在對抗勇士上取得了巨大的成功。而事實證明,模仿勇士對火箭來説並沒有什麼壞處,(反而讓他們取得了成功)


In the end I just think people focus on all these random stuff when the simple answer is "more talent wins more often." Take out Steph Curry from the Warriors and they don't look nearly as formidable despite their philosophy. And on the flip side put D'Antoni as coach of the Warriors and they'd still be the best team. It's really not that complicate IMO.

最後我認為,人們總是把注意力放在其他那些隨機事件上(比如籃球理念),而打不過勇士的答案很簡單“天賦越高贏得越多”。儘管他們有他們的獨到之處,但如果把庫裏去掉,他們看起來也就不會那麼可怕了。從另一方面説,假如德安東尼執教勇士,他們仍會是最強的球隊。在我看來,這真的沒那麼複雜。




[–][TOR] Pops Mensah-Bonsushakattack917 45 指標 8小時前

Shaolin shadboxing style

開拓者球迷:我看是少林-羅漢拳風格吧。


[–]Raptorschicogarciamarquez 378 指標 8小時前

the only other way is to clone Larbon Jams

猛龍球迷:僅有的另一種方法就是克隆拉邦-詹斯


[–]LakersSyno_Alkheiser[S] 48 指標 8小時前

I'd eat that

湖人球迷:你克隆出來我就吃。(樓上將james拼成了jams,有果醬的含義)


[–]Warriorscontigowater 26 指標 8小時前

idk the rockets gave a good fight

勇士球迷:我不是很贊成科比的觀點,火箭真的已經打得很好了啊。


[–][LAC] Patrick BeverleyTatumBoomedMe 17 指標 5小時前

People sleep on the rockets so much on here, it’s crazy

快船球迷:這個論壇裏的人們也太看扁火箭了吧,真瘋狂。


[–]Lakerswatdoyoumeandrugtest 7 指標 4小時前

They lost 2 big parts of their defense

他們在防守端損失了兩個關鍵球員。


[–]Wizardslivefreeordont 13 指標 2小時前

Luc played like 5 mpg against the warriors and was terrible thanks to a dislocated shoulder. He was not a big part of their success against the Warriors

巴莫特對陣勇士的時候一場也就是打五分鐘,而且由於他肩膀脱臼,表現的也很糟糕。所以他也不算成功阻擊勇士中的重要一環。


[–][LAL] Brandon Ingramfriskydongo 100 指標 8小時前

You can't beat them with any style as of now.

湖人球迷:截至目前,你無法以任何風格擊敗他們。


[–]SpursDuque_Plata 125 指標 8小時前

The Rockets almost did and likely would have if CP3 was healthy or if they didn't have that historic missed shot streak

Everybody here loves to prop the Warriors up as invincible (probably to make Lebron getting whooped look better), but we almost saw it happen at the hands of two stars and a short lineup which is a very attainable lineup.

火箭幾乎就要成功擊敗勇士了,而且如果保羅保持健康,沒有出現歷史新高的連續打鐵,他們應該已經打敗勇士了。

這個論壇裏的每個人都喜歡把勇士吹的好像戰無不勝一樣(可能是為了讓老詹被虐這件事看起來更好看一點吧),但是我們差點就看到這樣一個只有兩位球星的小個陣容完成了阻擊勇士的任務,而這個陣容很容易就可以組建起來。




[–][NYK] Carmelo AnthonyAdzBoogie 93 指標 8小時前

If Iguodala was playing, it would've been over in 5.

尼克斯球迷:如果一哥能打,這個系列賽五場就結束了。


[–]Cavaliersbenelchuncho 62 指標 7小時前

Luc was very important for Houston and he didn’t play either

巴莫特對火箭來説也非常重要,而他也沒打啊。


[–][GSW] Draymond Greenjthc 27 指標 4小時前

I can't wait for the day when we stop arguing over this. Same with 2015 and 2016. Injuries happened. The games were played anyway. The hypotheticals with zero injuries don't mean anything.

勇士球迷:我真的盼望着哪天我們可以停止爭論這些。就跟15年16年的總決賽一樣。傷病出現了。但是不管怎麼樣,比賽已經打完了。這種如果誰誰誰沒受傷的假設真的毫無意義。


[–]WarriorsMadMax1996 28 指標 5小時前

Igoudala vs. Luc in terms of value to team is not close. Luc lacks Andres vision and decision making on offense, on defense Igoudala is a generational defensive player(yes he is old) with some of the best hands in the business.

Edit: man people here have no idea how important Iggy is to the dubs.

一哥和巴莫特對於各自球隊的價值差很多吧。巴莫特在進攻端缺少一哥的傳球視野和決策能力,在防守端,一哥有着一雙在防守界最頂級的雙手,他也是一名劃時代的防守運動員(雖然他老了)。

編輯:論壇裏的很多人意識不到一哥對勇士有多麼重要。


[–]LakersCheppyWire 63 指標 4小時前

It's just wild to me that a team's fanbase can say that their team with four all stars, the greatest shooter of all time, one of the greatest scorers of all time, can crumble if their 34 year old backup small forward is out and that justifies the losses.

湖人球迷:一支球隊擁有四個全明星,其中一個是歷史最偉大的投手,一個是歷史最強得分手之一,而他們的球迷還在嚷嚷着自己球隊的失利是因為球隊裏已經34歲的替補小前鋒沒有上場,認為他才是決定球隊成敗的關鍵。我真的覺得這有點扯淡了。


[–]Supersonicsquite_certain 44 指標 4小時前

It's also wild how much you guys underrate Houston's 17-18 season. Only 19 teams in the history of the NBA have won 65 or more games. Last year's Rockets became #19. The majority of these teams go on to win the championship. They went 4-1 and 4-1 before the WCF. And regardless of how stacked their opponent was in WCF, they were one quarter away from winning it all.

你們這幫人如此低估17-18賽季的火箭也同樣是一件挺扯淡的事。歷史上只有19支球隊在常規賽拿下了65及以上的勝場數。上賽季的火箭成為了第19支球隊。這裏面的大部分球隊都贏得了當年的總冠軍。火箭在西決之前是連續兩個紳士橫掃。不管他們西決的對手有多麼強大,他們離贏下勇士也就只有一節之遙。




[–]76ersthefreeman419 23 指標 8小時前

If by Golden State style you mean ball movement, threes and switching defense, I think every team is gonna have to learn to play that way

如果你説的勇士風格就是轉移球,投三分,換防的話,我覺得每個球隊都得先學習學習怎麼按這種方式打球,再説用這種方式和勇士打球的事。


[–]Wizardsireddit270 47 指標 8小時前

The ball movement thing is a myth. Golden State’s defense is designed to disrupt ball movement, so in reality you need elite isolation-heavy players to beat them.

説擊敗勇士要靠轉移球真的是人云亦云的謠言,勇士的防守是專門為了干擾對手傳球而佈置的,所以現實中想要擊敗勇士你需要擁有幾個精英級別的單打型球員。


We saw that with Lebron + Kyrie’s Cavs in the 2016 Finals, and again with Harden’s Rockets in the 2018 WCF (who have been GSWs toughest test by far) . The way to beat GS is to slow the game down to half court , limit TOs and isolate against favorable matchups.

我們看到了16年擁有老詹和歐文的騎士在總決賽上的成功,還有就是今年擁有哈登的火箭在西部決賽中的表現(這支火箭讓勇士經歷了前所未有的考驗)。擊敗勇士的方法就是將比賽拖慢到半場中,減少失誤然後去單打最讓你予取予求的那個人。


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